Proposal 3 by Teratix: Reply
Okumaya devam et...
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| :::The needed action in those cases is telling the person no, pointing out errors, giving feedback even if it disappoints, and otherwise applying our rules and system to the situation in a direct manner. "Niceness" to me does not mean bending or bypassing rules and norms, but it seems that it does to you. "Decency" to me does not mean doing the necessary thing. | :::The needed action in those cases is telling the person no, pointing out errors, giving feedback even if it disappoints, and otherwise applying our rules and system to the situation in a direct manner. "Niceness" to me does not mean bending or bypassing rules and norms, but it seems that it does to you. "Decency" to me does not mean doing the necessary thing. |
:: erhaps polite, or perhaps "Be civil", since that already is an established term? Perhaps "Behave with good conduct", since we have a code of conduct? [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Bluerasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 14:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | ::erhaps polite, or perhaps "Be civil", since that already is an established term? Perhaps "Behave with good conduct", since we have a code of conduct? [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Bluerasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 14:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC) |
| ::::{{tq|Of course all those people need an intervention, and I do not see how niceness could prevent anyone from intervening}} Because the intervention is not nice. It will devastate the user and make them and their supporters upset. | |
| ::::{{tq|"Niceness" to me does not mean bending or bypassing rules and norms, but it seems that it does to you.}} I don't have the faintest idea how you managed to infer that from the post. "Niceness", to me, means pleasant, friendly, agreeable behaviour that eases rather than upsets people. To me, "decency" means respectful, reasonable behaviour motivated by an honest attitude. What do these terms mean to you? | |
| ::::I believe "be civil" and "be polite" are importantly different from "be decent". Someone can be civil and polite but unreasonable and dishonest at the same time. For example, we have the concept of [[Wikipedia:Civil POV-pushing|civil POV-pushing]] – where someone dishonestly manipulates consensus but is polite while they do so. But it would seem a contradiction to talk of "decent POV-pushing". I would rather have decent behaviour at RfA than merely civil behaviour. | |
| ::::"Behave with good conduct" says in four words what can be accomplished in two. We should be aiming to keep this notice as concise as possible. – [[User:Teratix|Tera]]'''[[User talk:Teratix|tix]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Teratix|₵]] 14:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | |
| === Proposal 4 by Tryptofish === | === Proposal 4 by Tryptofish === |
Okumaya devam et...