List of Americans killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine: Reply
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| *:But do they deal with the topic as a group like this? Routine news coverage doesn't establish notability of the topic as a list. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 18:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC) | *:But do they deal with the topic as a group like this? Routine news coverage doesn't establish notability of the topic as a list. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 18:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC) |
| *::Replace "Routine news" with better sources, it pass clearly notability. [[User:Shadow4dark|Shadow4dark]] ([[User talk:Shadow4dark|talk]]) 04:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | *::Replace "Routine news" with better sources, it pass clearly notability. [[User:Shadow4dark|Shadow4dark]] ([[User talk:Shadow4dark|talk]]) 04:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC) |
| *:::What? [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 21:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |
| * '''Keep''' as article creator, notability established as mentioned by RS, also agree to article expansion to include those from the Donbas War. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 18:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC) | * '''Keep''' as article creator, notability established as mentioned by RS, also agree to article expansion to include those from the Donbas War. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 18:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC) |
| *'''Weak keep'''. Regarding lack of notability, NOTNEWS, and bias, I disagree with all three. I think it's pretty notable and informative for Americans and others to known how many died in a war they heavily funded. NOTNEWS I think is exempt in a list. To achieve completeness a list often must exhaust news coverage. And bias, I agree and disagree, but don't believe it's a problem. Making a list of Americans killed only shows coverage bias, similar to how there are so many pages and information about alleged Russian war crimes and negative stuff about Russia but very few covering the other side, Ukraine. That's mostly because most editors show more interest in writing about negative Russian things and because most sources that cover the alleged Ukrainian crimes are suppressed in Wikipedia. In such cases, I think the better solution is simply to also write about the other side, not remove the favored side. Thus, a list of other foreign nationals killed would also be important. Btw, doesn't such global list exist? If it does, then the American-only list should be merged in it and not stick out. | *'''Weak keep'''. Regarding lack of notability, NOTNEWS, and bias, I disagree with all three. I think it's pretty notable and informative for Americans and others to known how many died in a war they heavily funded. NOTNEWS I think is exempt in a list. To achieve completeness a list often must exhaust news coverage. And bias, I agree and disagree, but don't believe it's a problem. Making a list of Americans killed only shows coverage bias, similar to how there are so many pages and information about alleged Russian war crimes and negative stuff about Russia but very few covering the other side, Ukraine. That's mostly because most editors show more interest in writing about negative Russian things and because most sources that cover the alleged Ukrainian crimes are suppressed in Wikipedia. In such cases, I think the better solution is simply to also write about the other side, not remove the favored side. Thus, a list of other foreign nationals killed would also be important. Btw, doesn't such global list exist? If it does, then the American-only list should be merged in it and not stick out. |
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