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Do you have any knowledge of Integral Theory at all or do you just police the page and keep it in 2010? [[User:Mforman30|Mforman30]] ([[User talk:Mforman30|talk]]) 00:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Do you have any knowledge of Integral Theory at all or do you just police the page and keep it in 2010? [[User:Mforman30|Mforman30]] ([[User talk:Mforman30|talk]]) 00:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
:{{yo|Mforman}} I studied Integral Theory for a couple of years after my graduation in the 90s, and concluded it's a bunch of bullshit, with Wilber deeply misunderstanding and misrepresenting both the theories and the traditions he's writing about. Obviously, I'm not the only one who drew that conclusion, but some tiny islands of support still seem to hold out.<br>: I studied Integral Theory for a couple of years after my graduation in the 90s, and concluded it's a bunch of bullshit, with Wilber deeply misunderstanding and misrepresenting both the theories and the traditions he's writing about. Obviously, I'm not the only one who drew that conclusion, but some tiny islands of support still seem to hold out.<br>
:Luckily, Wiki-policies are easier to follow. Like [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:VERIFIABILITY]]; we don't use YouTube videos as references, especially not if we have made themselves. Or [[WP:SPAM]]: we don't use Amazon-links to our own writings, also not when they are from 2010, nearly fiveteen years ago. Or the organizing entity ([https://integraleuropeanconference.com/ IEC]) for the statement "Similar attendee credentials have been present at the very well-attended 2010, 2013, 2015, and 2022 U.S. Integral Theory Conferences" - [[WP:SPAM]] and [[WP:OR]]. And we don't use inline links, especially not in headers.<br>:Luckily, Wiki-policies are easier to follow. Like [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:VERIFIABILITY]]; we don't use YouTube videos as references, especially not if we have made themselves. Or [[WP:SPAM]]: we don't use Amazon-links to our own writings, also not when they are from 2010, nearly fiveteen years ago. Or the organizing entity ([https://integraleuropeanconference.com/ IEC]) for the statement "Similar attendee credentials have been present at the very well-attended 2010, 2013, 2015, and 2022 U.S. Integral Theory Conferences" - [[WP:SPAM]] and [[WP:OR]]. And we don't use inline links, especially not in headers.<br>
:And, to bring you back into reality: "over 50 published books that utilize Integral in some pragmatic or practical domain" since 2000: that's an average of two per year. Not what I'd call "this deficit has been widely addressed." Or "Bruce Alderman [...] notes that Integral is now being taught in some form in about 12 different colleges and universities, and has been taken up by dozens of individual academics." Where did he say that? In which form is it being taught? At which universities? I'd state it differently: this only underscores the irrelevancy. And Zimmerman surely didn't write that "This reality overrides a previous, early period in the 2000s."</br>:And, to bring you back into reality: "over 50 published books that utilize Integral in some pragmatic or practical domain" since 2000: that's an average of two per year. Not what I'd call "this deficit has been widely addressed." Or "Bruce Alderman [...] notes that Integral is now being taught in some form in about 12 different colleges and universities, and has been taken up by dozens of individual academics." Where did he say that? In which form is it being taught? At which universities? I'd state it differently: this only underscores the irrelevancy. And Zimmerman surely didn't write that "This reality overrides a previous, early period in the 2000s."</br>

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