Regarding the mention of Aaron Bushnell quote in DYK of 27/3/2024: Reply
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| ::Yes, but we also have policies of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NOTANARCHY&redirect=no WP:NOTANARCHY] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NOTFREESPEECH&redirect=no WP:NOTFREESPEECH]. The policy of [[WP:NOTCENSORED]] means that the true factual content of Wikipedia articles should not be censored. So it's perfectly right to mention this troubled and hateful guy's opinions and sayings in the article about his suicide. But It is an altogether different thing to put it in the DYK section in a way that looks like glorifying his action. [[User:Vegan416|Vegan416]] ([[User talk:Vegan416|talk]]) 20:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC) | ::Yes, but we also have policies of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NOTANARCHY&redirect=no WP:NOTANARCHY] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NOTFREESPEECH&redirect=no WP:NOTFREESPEECH]. The policy of [[WP:NOTCENSORED]] means that the true factual content of Wikipedia articles should not be censored. So it's perfectly right to mention this troubled and hateful guy's opinions and sayings in the article about his suicide. But It is an altogether different thing to put it in the DYK section in a way that looks like glorifying his action. [[User:Vegan416|Vegan416]] ([[User talk:Vegan416|talk]]) 20:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
| :::You significantly detract from your argument by calling the guy "hateful"; that's a rather loaded view. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 22:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC) | :::You significantly detract from your argument by calling the guy "hateful"; that's a rather loaded view. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 22:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
::: [[User:Schwede66|Schwede66]] | |
| ::::# I don't understand what you mean by "loaded view". The [[mwod:hateful|definition]] of hateful is "full of hate : [[mwod:malicious|MALICIOUS]]", and it is a fact that Bushnell was full of hate and malicious intent towards Israel and all Israelis. He said that Israel has no right to exist, that there are no innocent Israeli civilians, and he justified the October 7 massacre. See [https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/aaron-bushnell-reddit-fire-protest-israel-palestine/ here], [https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/...zations-hail-aaron-bushnell-martyr-after-self here] and [https://www.kyleorton.com/p/aaron-bushnell-troubled-man-or-political-martyr here]. | |
| ::::# At any rate even if you think this is a "loaded view", let me remind you that we are now talking on a TALK page. It is forbidden to express views in the "Wikipedia voice" in the main-space, inside articles or on the main page, but the TALK page is precisely the place to discuss views. There is no problem in expressing "loaded views" in a talk page. | |
| ::::# In any case, what you and I think about the personality of Bushnell is completely irrelevant to my argument here, and was not part of it. I would argue exactly the same even if Bushnell was a saint, hating nobody and full of love for every living creature (as perhaps was [[Thích Quảng Đức]]). I just think that it is socially irresponsible to glorify any suicide, under any circumstance. And this is definitely not the job of Wikipedia to do that on the main page. | |
| ::::[[User:Vegan416|Vegan416]] ([[User talk:Vegan416|talk]]) 08:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC) |
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