Talk:Peter Grimes

News · 2 May 2024

MOS:GEO: reply

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:::The Manual of Style is a guideline intended to help us do things sensibly. One guideline does not overrule another. '''[[MOSIACRITICS]] says''' "The use of diacritics in foreign words is neither encouraged nor discouraged. Use generally depends on whether they appear in reliable English-language sources.... '''Use of diacritics is determined on a topic-by-topic basis"'''. The consensus on this topic, which I support, is not to use the diacritical mark in referring to Zurich. This should not cause an international uproar, as no reader will be confused, and if they follow this link: [[Zurich]], they can see the national spelling. See also [[MOS:VAR]]. -- [[User:Ssilvers\|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers\|talk]]) 18:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)	:::The Manual of Style is a guideline intended to help us do things sensibly. One guideline does not overrule another. '''[[MOSIACRITICS]] says''' "The use of diacritics in foreign words is neither encouraged nor discouraged. Use generally depends on whether they appear in reliable English-language sources.... '''Use of diacritics is determined on a topic-by-topic basis"'''. The consensus on this topic, which I support, is not to use the diacritical mark in referring to Zurich. This should not cause an international uproar, as no reader will be confused, and if they follow this link: [[Zurich]], they can see the national spelling. See also [[MOS:VAR]]. -- [[User:Ssilvers\|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers\|talk]]) 18:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
::::"...topic-by-topic basis" – Zürich belongs to the topic of Geographical items, which is just a bit below MOSIACRITICS. There is no overruling, but on the contrary, the rules follow each other. The consensus on a topic is determined by what the target page is called. Therefore if we're talking about a lake, we use Lake Zurich and Lake Constance, but if we're talking about a city, we use Zürich and Konstanz. There is a presumption, albeit difficult to enforce, about a certain degree of unity within the wiki, and we should not violate it based on personal preference. If I don't convince you, then OK, three is a crowd and I give up. But the way you interpreted it, I still don't agree with it. [[User:FromCzech\|FromCzech]] ([[User talk:FromCzech\|talk]]) 18:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)	::::"...topic-by-topic basis" – Zürich belongs to the topic of Geographical items, which is just a bit below MOSIACRITICS. There is no overruling, but on the contrary, the rules follow each other. The consensus on a topic is determined by what the target page is called. Therefore if we're talking about a lake, we use Lake Zurich and Lake Constance, but if we're talking about a city, we use Zürich and Konstanz. There is a presumption, albeit difficult to enforce, about a certain degree of unity within the wiki, and we should not violate it based on personal preference. If I don't convince you, then OK, three is a crowd and I give up. But the way you interpreted it, I still don't agree with it. [[User:FromCzech\|FromCzech]] ([[User talk:FromCzech\|talk]]) 18:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::As Emerson noted, ''foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". We should expand our sense of the spirit of Wikipedia, rather than cherry-picking our favorite line from the MOS, whether or not it sensibly applies. -- [[User:Ssilvers\|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers\|talk]]) 19:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
* (I "*****" curious because the discussion comes up again and again on my watchlist. I have no time to read all this.) My understanding is that we talk about whether to link to Zürich or Zurich for a performance of the opera, and I think the best option would be to do neither but link to [[Zürich Opera]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt\|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt\|talk]]) 18:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)	* (I "*****" curious because the discussion comes up again and again on my watchlist. I have no time to read all this.) My understanding is that we talk about whether to link to Zürich or Zurich for a performance of the opera, and I think the best option would be to do neither but link to [[Zürich Opera]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt\|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt\|talk]]) 18:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
*:Regardless of whether or not diacritics end up being used, it sounds reasonable and I'm all for it. But Basel and Antwerp are also named in the sentence, and there is no page for Antwerp Opera, so I don't know if it's allowed. [[User:FromCzech\|FromCzech]] ([[User talk:FromCzech\|talk]]) 18:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)	*:Regardless of whether or not diacritics end up being used, it sounds reasonable and I'm all for it. But Basel and Antwerp are also named in the sentence, and there is no page for Antwerp Opera, so I don't know if it's allowed. [[User:FromCzech\|FromCzech]] ([[User talk:FromCzech\|talk]]) 18:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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← Previous revision	Revision as of 19:18, 2 May 2024
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:::The Manual of Style is a guideline intended to help us do things sensibly. One guideline does not overrule another. '''[[MOSIACRITICS]] says''' "The use of diacritics in foreign words is neither encouraged nor discouraged. Use generally depends on whether they appear in reliable English-language sources.... '''Use of diacritics is determined on a topic-by-topic basis"'''. The consensus on this topic, which I support, is not to use the diacritical mark in referring to Zurich. This should not cause an international uproar, as no reader will be confused, and if they follow this link: [[Zurich]], they can see the national spelling. See also [[MOS:VAR]]. -- [[User:Ssilvers\|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers\|talk]]) 18:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)	:::The Manual of Style is a guideline intended to help us do things sensibly. One guideline does not overrule another. '''[[MOSIACRITICS]] says''' "The use of diacritics in foreign words is neither encouraged nor discouraged. Use generally depends on whether they appear in reliable English-language sources.... '''Use of diacritics is determined on a topic-by-topic basis"'''. The consensus on this topic, which I support, is not to use the diacritical mark in referring to Zurich. This should not cause an international uproar, as no reader will be confused, and if they follow this link: [[Zurich]], they can see the national spelling. See also [[MOS:VAR]]. -- [[User:Ssilvers\|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers\|talk]]) 18:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
::::"...topic-by-topic basis" – Zürich belongs to the topic of Geographical items, which is just a bit below MOSIACRITICS. There is no overruling, but on the contrary, the rules follow each other. The consensus on a topic is determined by what the target page is called. Therefore if we're talking about a lake, we use Lake Zurich and Lake Constance, but if we're talking about a city, we use Zürich and Konstanz. There is a presumption, albeit difficult to enforce, about a certain degree of unity within the wiki, and we should not violate it based on personal preference. If I don't convince you, then OK, three is a crowd and I give up. But the way you interpreted it, I still don't agree with it. [[User:FromCzech\|FromCzech]] ([[User talk:FromCzech\|talk]]) 18:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)	::::"...topic-by-topic basis" – Zürich belongs to the topic of Geographical items, which is just a bit below MOSIACRITICS. There is no overruling, but on the contrary, the rules follow each other. The consensus on a topic is determined by what the target page is called. Therefore if we're talking about a lake, we use Lake Zurich and Lake Constance, but if we're talking about a city, we use Zürich and Konstanz. There is a presumption, albeit difficult to enforce, about a certain degree of unity within the wiki, and we should not violate it based on personal preference. If I don't convince you, then OK, three is a crowd and I give up. But the way you interpreted it, I still don't agree with it. [[User:FromCzech\|FromCzech]] ([[User talk:FromCzech\|talk]]) 18:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::As Emerson noted, ''foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". We should expand our sense of the spirit of Wikipedia, rather than cherry-picking our favorite line from the MOS, whether or not it sensibly applies. -- [[User:Ssilvers\|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers\|talk]]) 19:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
* (I "*****" curious because the discussion comes up again and again on my watchlist. I have no time to read all this.) My understanding is that we talk about whether to link to Zürich or Zurich for a performance of the opera, and I think the best option would be to do neither but link to [[Zürich Opera]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt\|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt\|talk]]) 18:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)	* (I "*****" curious because the discussion comes up again and again on my watchlist. I have no time to read all this.) My understanding is that we talk about whether to link to Zürich or Zurich for a performance of the opera, and I think the best option would be to do neither but link to [[Zürich Opera]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt\|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt\|talk]]) 18:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
*:Regardless of whether or not diacritics end up being used, it sounds reasonable and I'm all for it. But Basel and Antwerp are also named in the sentence, and there is no page for Antwerp Opera, so I don't know if it's allowed. [[User:FromCzech\|FromCzech]] ([[User talk:FromCzech\|talk]]) 18:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)	*:Regardless of whether or not diacritics end up being used, it sounds reasonable and I'm all for it. But Basel and Antwerp are also named in the sentence, and there is no page for Antwerp Opera, so I don't know if it's allowed. [[User:FromCzech\|FromCzech]] ([[User talk:FromCzech\|talk]]) 18:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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