WP:ANYBIO at AfD: reply to BeanieFan11
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| :::::::::::::::::::::::::You really think unimpressive domestic records are more encyclopedic if they come out of Samoa than if they come out of American Samoa? Or that the fortnightly online newsletter sent out by the Nauruan government to 10,000 people has the prestige and reliability of "national coverage" we accord to countries with millions of people? If we remove coverage from the equation, how exactly does the "significance" of being a sovereign country factor into notability? Leniency on finding sourcing does not mean we blindly assume that all underdeveloped polities generate significant reliable independent coverage in multiple different sources of a national record etc. just because the equivalent accomplishment would in America. The average person in Nauru is not inherently more notable than the average person in [[Castle Pines, Colorado]], yet that is exactly what relaxing NRV expectations for the former assumes. [[User:JoelleJay|JoelleJay]] ([[User talk:JoelleJay|talk]]) 18:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC) | :::::::::::::::::::::::::You really think unimpressive domestic records are more encyclopedic if they come out of Samoa than if they come out of American Samoa? Or that the fortnightly online newsletter sent out by the Nauruan government to 10,000 people has the prestige and reliability of "national coverage" we accord to countries with millions of people? If we remove coverage from the equation, how exactly does the "significance" of being a sovereign country factor into notability? Leniency on finding sourcing does not mean we blindly assume that all underdeveloped polities generate significant reliable independent coverage in multiple different sources of a national record etc. just because the equivalent accomplishment would in America. The average person in Nauru is not inherently more notable than the average person in [[Castle Pines, Colorado]], yet that is exactly what relaxing NRV expectations for the former assumes. [[User:JoelleJay|JoelleJay]] ([[User talk:JoelleJay|talk]]) 18:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
| :::::::::::::::::::::::::: Unimpressive to ''you'', but impressive to everyone in that nation because its the best anyone has ever accomplished in their history. The most important figures of soverign nations are absolutely more encyclopedic than those of small towns, and suggesting that we hold the historic figures from Nauru to the same tight standards as we would for any random modern American is ridiculous. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 23:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC) | :::::::::::::::::::::::::: Unimpressive to ''you'', but impressive to everyone in that nation because its the best anyone has ever accomplished in their history. The most important figures of soverign nations are absolutely more encyclopedic than those of small towns, and suggesting that we hold the historic figures from Nauru to the same tight standards as we would for any random modern American is ridiculous. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 23:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
| :::::::::::::::::::::::::::How can you possibly know how "impressive" a particular accomplishment is regarded among e.g. American Samoans vs. Samoans? And you are still assuming the average person from a tiny nation is inherently more encyclopedic than their equivalent even in the absence of sources, which makes no sense. [[User:JoelleJay|JoelleJay]] ([[User talk:JoelleJay|talk]]) 20:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | |
| ::::::::::::::::::::::::I would point out here that the logic of JoelleJay's argument here seems to imply that elections, even on a national scale, in small sovereign nations are no more worthy of encyclopaedic inclusion than elections in small American towns, which is not the logic of a good encyclopedia, IMO. [[User:Newimpartial|Newimpartial]] ([[User talk:Newimpartial|talk]]) 17:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC) | ::::::::::::::::::::::::I would point out here that the logic of JoelleJay's argument here seems to imply that elections, even on a national scale, in small sovereign nations are no more worthy of encyclopaedic inclusion than elections in small American towns, which is not the logic of a good encyclopedia, IMO. [[User:Newimpartial|Newimpartial]] ([[User talk:Newimpartial|talk]]) 17:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
| :::::::::::::::::::::::::These are not equivalent cases. People elected to national offices are highly likely to garner significant international coverage due to the nature of their work. The same cannot be said for every national award recipient. [[User:JoelleJay|JoelleJay]] ([[User talk:JoelleJay|talk]]) 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC) | :::::::::::::::::::::::::These are not equivalent cases. People elected to national offices are highly likely to garner significant international coverage due to the nature of their work. The same cannot be said for every national award recipient. [[User:JoelleJay|JoelleJay]] ([[User talk:JoelleJay|talk]]) 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
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